Die Bybel en Homoseks

So is homoseksualiteit sonde of nie?

Daar is twee redes waarom dié leefstyl veroordeel word.

Eerstens, die mediese wetenskap veroordeel dit:

Voordat ons ‘n studie maak oor wat die Skrif (en nie menslike instellings nie!) verklaar oor hierdie leefstyl, wil ek graag ‘n artikel aan julle beskikbaar stel oor wat die mediese wetenskap bevind het oor homoseks. Buiten die Bybel bewys die mediese wetenskap dat daar groot fout is met homoseks. Dit gaan die menslike verstand te bowe dat mense, in die keuse van hul leefstyl, sulke verdoemende feite kan ignoreer. Hierdie artikel is op internet beskikbaar:

Sexual relationships between members of the same sex expose gays, lesbians and bisexuals to extreme risks of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs), physical injuries, mental disorders and even a shortened life span. There are five major distinctions between gay and heterosexual relationships, with specific medical consequences. They are:

  • Levels of Promiscuity Prior to the AIDS epidemic, a 1978 study found that 75 percent of white, gay males claimed to have had more than 100 lifetime male sex partners: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250-499; 15 percent claimed 500- 999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners. Levels of promiscuity subsequently declined, but some observers are concerned that promiscuity is again approaching the levels of the 1970s. The medical consequence of this promiscuity is that gays have a greatly increased likelihood of contracting HIV/AIDS, syphilis and other STDs.Similar extremes of promiscuity have not been documented among lesbians. However, an Australian study found that 93 percent of lesbians reported having had sex with men, and lesbians were 4.5 times more likely than heterosexual women to have had more than 50 lifetime male sex partners. Any degree of sexual promiscuity carries the risk of contracting STDs.
  • Physical Health

Common sexual practices among gay men lead to numerous STDs and physical injuries, some of which are virtually unknown in the heterosexual population. Lesbians are also at higher risk for STDs. In addition to diseases that may be transmitted during lesbian sex, a study at an Australian STD clinic found that lesbians were three to four times more likely than heterosexual women to have sex with men who were high-risk for HIV.

  • Mental Health

It is well established that there are high rates of psychiatric illnesses, including depression, drug abuse, and suicide attempts, among gays and lesbians. This is true even in the Netherlands, where gay, lesbian and bisexual (GLB) relationships are far more socially acceptable than in the U.S. Depression and drug abuse are strongly associated with risky sexual practices that lead to serious medical problems.

  • Life Span

The only epidemiological study to date on the life span of gay men concluded that gay and bisexual men lose up to 20 years of life expectancy.

  • Monogamy

Monogamy, meaning long-term sexual fidelity, is rare in GLB relationships, particularly among gay men. One study reported that 66 percent of gay couples reported sex outside the relationship within the first year, and nearly 90 percent if the relationship lasted five years. Encouraging people to engage in risky sexual behavior undermines good health and can result in a shortened life span. Yet that is exactly what employers and governmental entities are doing when they grant GLB couples benefits or status that make GLB relationships appear more socially acceptable.


The Health Risks of Gay Sex

Introduction

Back in the early 1980s, while working at Beth Israel Hospital, I vividly remember seeing healthy young gay men dying of a mysterious disease that researchers only later identified as a sexually transmitted disease — AIDS. Over the years, I’ve seen many patients with that diagnosis die.

As a physician, it is my duty to assess behaviors for their impact on health and wellbeing. When something is beneficial, such as exercise, good nutrition, or adequate sleep, it is my duty to recommend it. Likewise, when something is harmful, such as smoking, overeating, alcohol or drug abuse, it is my duty to discourage it.

When sexual activity is practiced outside of marriage, the consequences can be quite serious. Without question, sexual promiscuity frequently spreads diseases, from trivial to serious to deadly. In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 65 million Americans have an incurable sexually transmitted disease (STD).1

There are differences between men and women in the consequences of same-sex activity. But most importantly, the consequences of homosexual activity are distinct from the consequences of heterosexual activity. As a physician, it is my duty to inform patients of the health risks of gay sex, and to discourage them from indulging in harmful behavior.


I. DIFFERENCES BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL AND HETEROSEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS

The current media portrayal of gay and lesbian relationships is that they are as healthy, stable and loving as heterosexual marriages — or even more so.2 Medical associations are promoting somewhat similar messages.3 Nevertheless, there are at least five major areas of differences between gay and heterosexual relationships, each with specific medical consequences. Those differences include:

A. Levels of promiscuity
B. Physical health
C. Mental health
D. Life span
E. Definition of “monogamy”

A. Promiscuity

Gay author Gabriel Rotello notes the perspective of many gays that “Gay liberation was founded . . . on a ‘sexual brotherhood of promiscuity,’ and any abandonment of that promiscuity would amount to a ‘communal betrayal of gargantuan proportions.'”4 Rotello’s perception of gay promiscuity, which he criticizes, is consistent with survey results. A far-ranging study of homosexual men published in 1978 revealed that 75 percent of self-identified, white, gay men admitted to having sex with more than 100 different males in their lifetime: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250- 499; 15 percent claimed 500-999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners.5By 1984, after the AIDS epidemic had taken hold, homosexual men were reportedly curtailing promiscuity, but not by much. Instead of more than 6 partners per month in 1982, the average non-monogamous respondent in San Francisco reported having about 4 partners per month in 1984.6

In more recent years, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control has reported an upswing in promiscuity, at least among young homosexual men in San Francisco. From 1994 to 1997, the percentage of homosexual men reporting multiple partners and unprotected anal sex rose from 23.6 percent to 33.3 percent, with the largest increase among men under 25.7 Despite its continuing incurability, AIDS no longer seems to deter individuals from engaging in promiscuous gay sex.8

The data relating to gay promiscuity were obtained from self-identified gay men. Some advocates argue that the average would be lower if closeted homosexuals were included in the statistics.9 That is likely true, according to data obtained in a 2000 survey in Australia that tracked whether men who had sex with men were associated with the gay community. Men who were associated with the gay community were nearly four times as likely to have had more than 50 sex partners in the six months preceding the survey as men who were not associated with the gay community.10 This may imply that it is riskier to be “out” than “closeted.” Adopting a gay identity may create more pressure to be promiscuous and to be so with a cohort of other more promiscuous partners.

Excessive sexual promiscuity results in serious medical consequences — indeed, it is a recipe for transmitting disease and generating an epidemic.11 The HIV/AIDS epidemic has remained a predominantly gay issue in the U.S. primarily because of the greater degree of promiscuity among gays.12 A study based upon statistics from 1986 through 1990 estimated that 20-year-old gay men had a 50 percent chance of becoming HIV positive by age 55.13 As of June 2001, nearly 64 percent of men with AIDS were men who have had sex with men.14 Syphilis is also more common among gay men. The San Francisco Public Health Department recently reported that syphilis among the city’s gay and bisexual men was at epidemic levels. According to the San Francisco Chronicle:

“Experts believe syphilis is on the rise among gay and bisexual men because they are engaging in unprotected sex with multiple partners, many of whom they met in anonymous situations such as sex clubs, adult bookstores, meetings through the Internet and in bathhouses. The new data will show that in the 93 cases involving gay and bisexual men this year, the group reported having 1,225 sexual partners.”15A study done in Baltimore and reported in the Archives of Internal Medicine found that gay men contracted syphilis at three to four times the rate of heterosexuals.16 Promiscuity is the factor most responsible for the extreme rates of these and other Sexually Transmitted Diseases cited below, many of which result in a shortened life span for men who have sex with men.

Promiscuity among lesbians is less extreme, but it is still higher than among heterosexual women. Overall, women tend to have fewer sex partners than men. But there is a surprising finding about lesbian promiscuity in the literature. Australian investigators reported that lesbian women were 4.5 times more likely to have had more than 50 lifetime male partners than heterosexual women (9 percent of lesbians versus 2 percent of heterosexual women); and 93 percent of women who identified themselves as lesbian reported a history of sex with men.17 Other studies similarly show that 75-90 percent of women who have sex with women have also had sex with men.18


B. Physical Health

Unhealthy sexual behaviors occur among both heterosexuals and homosexuals. Yet the medical and social science evidence indicate that homosexual behavior is uniformly unhealthy. Although both male and female homosexual practices lead to increases in Sexually Transmitted Diseases, the practices and diseases are sufficiently different that they merit separate discussion.

1. Male Homosexual Behavior

Men having sex with other men leads to greater health risks than men having sex with women19 not only because of promiscuity but also because of the nature of sex among men. A British researcher summarizes the danger as follows:

“Male homosexual behaviour is not simply either ‘active’ or ‘passive,’ since penile-anal, mouth-penile, and hand-anal sexual contact is usual for both partners, and mouth-anal contact is not infrequent. . . . Mouth-anal contact is the reason for the relatively high incidence of diseases caused by bowel pathogens in male homosexuals. Trauma may encourage the entry of micro-organisms and thus lead to primary syphilitic lesions occurring in the anogenital area. . . . In addition to sodomy, trauma may be caused by foreign bodies, including stimulators of various kinds, penile adornments, and prostheses.”20Although the specific activities addressed below may be practiced by heterosexuals at times, homosexual men engage in these activities to a far greater extent.21

a. Anal-genital

Anal intercourse is the sine qua non of sex for many gay men.22 Yet human physiology makes it clear that the body was not designed to accommodate this activity. The rectum is significantly different from the vagina with regard to suitability for penetration by a penis. The vagina has natural lubricants and is supported by a network of muscles. It is composed of a mucus membrane with a multi-layer stratified squamous epithelium that allows it to endure friction without damage and to resist the immunological actions caused by semen and sperm. In comparison, the anus is a delicate mechanism of small muscles that comprise an “exit-only” passage. With repeated trauma, friction and stretching, the sphincter loses its tone and its ability to maintain a tight seal. Consequently, anal intercourse leads to leakage of fecal material that can easily become chronic.

The potential for injury is exacerbated by the fact that the intestine has only a single layer of cells separating it from highly vascular tissue, that is, blood. Therefore, any organisms that are introduced into the rectum have a much easier time establishing a foothold for infection than they would in a vagina. The single layer tissue cannot withstand the friction associated with penile penetration, resulting in traumas that expose both participants to blood, organisms in feces, and a mixing of bodily fluids.

Furthermore, ejaculate has components that are immunosuppressive. In the course of ordinary reproductive physiology, this allows the sperm to evade the immune defenses of the female. Rectal insemination of rabbits has shown that sperm impaired the immune defenses of the recipient.23 Semen may have a similar impact on humans.24

The end result is that the fragility of the anus and rectum, along with the immunosuppressive effect of ejaculate, make anal-genital intercourse a most efficient manner of transmitting HIV and other infections. The list of diseases found with extraordinary frequency among male homosexual practitioners as a result of anal intercourse is alarming:

Anal Cancer
Chlamydia trachomatis
Cryptosporidium
Giardia lamblia
Herpes simplex virus
Human immunodeficiency virus
Human papilloma virus
Isospora belli
Microsporidia
Gonorrhea
Viral hepatitis types B & C
Syphilis25

Sexual transmission of some of these diseases is so rare in the exclusively heterosexual population as to be virtually unknown. Others, while found among heterosexual and homosexual practitioners, are clearly predominated by those involved in homosexual activity. Syphilis, for example is found among heterosexual and homosexual practitioners. But in 1999, King County, Washington (Seattle), reported that 85 percent of syphilis cases were among self-identified homosexual practitioners.26 And as noted above, syphilis among homosexual men is now at epidemic levels in San Francisco.27

A 1988 CDC survey identified 21 percent of all Hepatitis B cases as being homosexually transmitted while 18 percent were heterosexually transmitted.28 Since homosexuals comprise such a small percent of the population (only 1-3 percent),29 they have a significantly higher rate of infection than heterosexuals.30

Anal intercourse also puts men at significant risk for anal cancer. Anal cancer is the result of infection with some subtypes of human papilloma virus (HPV), which are known viral carcinogens. Data as of 1989 showed the rates of anal cancer in male homosexual practitioners to be 10 times that of heterosexual males, and growing. 30 Thus, the prevalence of anal cancer among gay men is of great concern. For those with AIDS, the rates are doubled.31

Other physical problems associated with anal intercourse are:

hemorrhoids
anal fissures
anorectal trauma
retained foreign bodies.32

b. Oral-anal

There is an extremely high rate of parasitic and other intestinal infections documented among male homosexual practitioners because of oral-anal contact. In fact, there are so many infections that a syndrome called “the Gay Bowel” is described in the medical literature.33 “Gay bowel syndrome constitutes a group of conditions that occur among persons who practice unprotected anal intercourse, anilingus, or fellatio following anal intercourse.”34 Although some women have been diagnosed with some of the gastrointestinal infections associated with “gay bowel,” the vast preponderance of patients with these conditions are men who have sex with men.35

“Rimming” is the street name given to oralanal contact. It is because of this practice that intestinal parasites ordinarily found in the tropics are encountered in the bodies of American gay men. Combined with anal intercourse and other homosexual practices, “rimming” provides a rich opportunity for a variety of infections.

Men who have sex with men account for the lion’s share of the increasing number of cases in America of sexually transmitted infections that are not generally spread through sexual contact. These diseases, with consequences that range from severe and even life-threatening to mere annoyances, include Hepatitis A,36 Giardia lamblia, Entamoeba histolytica,37 Epstein-Barr virus,38 Neisseria meningitides,39 Shigellosis, Salmonellosis, Pediculosis, scabies and Campylobacter.40 The U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) identified a 1991 outbreak of Hepatitis A in New York City, in which 78 percent of male respondents identified themselves as homosexual or bisexual.41While Hepatitis A can be transmitted by routes other than sexual, a preponderance of Hepatitis A is found in gay men in multiple states.42 Salmonella is rarely associated with sexual activity except among gay men who have oral-anal and oral-genital contact following anal intercourse.43 The most unsettling new discovery is the reported sexual transmission of typhoid. This water-borne disease, well known in the tropics, only infects 400 people each year in the United States, usually as a result of ingestion of contaminated food or water while abroad. But sexual transmission was diagnosed in Ohio in a series of male sex partners of one male who had traveled to Puerto Rico.44

In America, Human Herpes Virus 8 (called Herpes Type 8 or HHV-8) is a disease found exclusively among male homosexual practitioners. Researchers have long noted that men who contracted AIDS through homosexual behavior frequently developed a previously rare form of cancer called Kaposi’s sarcoma. Men who contract HIV/AIDS through heterosexual sex or intravenous drug use rarely display this cancer. Recent studies confirm that Kaposi’s sarcoma results from infection with HHV-8. The New England Journal of Medicine described one cohort in San Francisco where 38 percent of the men who admitted any homosexual contact within the previous five years tested positive for this virus while none of the exclusively heterosexual men tested positive. The study predicted that half of the men with both HIV and HHV-8 would develop the cancer within 10 years.45 The medical literature is currently unclear as to the precise types of sexual behavior that transmit HHV-8, but there is a suspicion that it may be transmitted via saliva.46

c. Human Waste

Some gay men sexualize human waste, including the medically dangerous practice of coprophilia, which means sexual contact with highly infectious fecal wastes.47 This practice exposes the participants to all of the risks of anal-oral contact and many of the risks of analgenital contact.

d. Fisting

“Fisting” refers to the insertion of a hand or forearm into the rectum, and is far more damaging than anal intercourse. Tears can occur, along with incompetence of the anal sphincter. The result can include infections, inflammation and, consequently, enhanced susceptibility to future STDs. Twenty-two percent of homosexuals in one survey admitted to having participated in this practice.48

e. Sadism

The sexualization of pain and cruelty is described as sadism, named for the 18th Century novelist, the Marquis de Sade. His novel Justine describes repeated rapes and non-consensual whippings.49 Not all persons who practice sadism engage in the same activities. But a recent advertisement for a sadistic “conference” included a warning that participants might see “intentional infliction of pain [and] cutting of the skin with bleeding . . . .” Scheduled workshops included “Vaginal Fisting” (with a demonstration), “Sacred Sexuality and Cutting” with “a demonstration of a cutting with a live subject,” “Rough Rope,” and a “Body Harness” workshop that was to involve “demonstrating and coaching the tying of erotic body harnesses that involve the genitals, male and female.”50 A similar event entitled the “Vicious Valentine” occurred near Chicago on Feb. 15-17, 2002.51 The medical consequences of such activities range from mild to fatal, depending upon the nature of the injuries inflicted.52 As many as 37 percent of homosexuals have practiced some form of sadism.53

f. Conclusion

The consequences of homosexual activity have significantly altered the delivery of medical care to the population at-large. With the increased incidence of STD organisms in unexpected places, simple sore throat is no longer so simple. Doctors must now ask probing questions of their patients or risk making a misdiagnosis. The evaluation of a sore throat must now include questions about oral and anal sex. A case of hemorrhoids is no longer just a surgical problem. We must now inquire as to sexual practice and consider that anal cancer, rectal gonorrhea, or rectal chlamydia may be secreted in what deceptively appears to be “just hemorrhoids.”54 Moreover, data shows that rectal and throat gonorrhea, for example, are without symptoms in 75 percent of cases.55

& The impact of the health consequences of gay sex is not confined to homosexual practitioners. Even though nearly 11 million people in America are directly affected by cancer, compared to slightly more than three-quarters of a million with AIDS,56 AIDS spending per patient is more than seven times that for cancer.57 The inequity for diabetes and heart disease is even more striking.58 Consequently, the disproportionate amount of money spent on AIDS detracts from research into cures for diseases that affect more people.


2. Female Homosexual Behavior

Lesbians are also at higher risk for STDs and other health problems than heterosexuals.59 However, the health consequences of lesbianism are less well documented than for male homosexuals. This is partly because the devastation of AIDS has caused male homosexual activity to draw the lion’s share of medical attention. But it is also because there are fewer lesbians than gay men,60 and there is no evidence that lesbians practice the same extremes of same-sex promiscuity as gay men. The lesser amount of medical data does not mean, however, that female homosexual behavior is without recognized pathology. Much of the pathology is associated with heterosexual activity by lesbians.

Among the difficulties in establishing the pathologies associated with lesbianism is the problem of defining who is a lesbian.61 Study after study documents that the overwhelming majority of self-described lesbians have had sex with men.62 Australian researchers at an STD clinic found that only 7 percent of their lesbian sample had never had sexual contact with a male.63

Not only did lesbians commonly have sex with men, but with lots of men. They were 4.5 times as likely as exclusively heterosexual controls to have had more than 50 lifetime male sex partners.64 Consequently, the lesbians’ median number of male partners was twice that of exclusively heterosexual women.65 Lesbians were three to four times more likely than heterosexual women to have sex with men who were high-risk for HIV disease-homosexual, bisexual, or IV drug-abusing men.66 The study “demonstrates that WSW [women who have sex with women] are more likely than non- WSW to engage in recognized HIV risk behaviours such as IDU [intravenous drug use], sex work, sex with a bisexual man, and sex with a man who injects drugs, confirming previous reports.”67

Bacterial vaginosis, Hepatitis B, Hepatitis C, heavy cigarette smoking, alcohol abuse, intravenous drug use, and prostitution were present in much higher proportions among female homosexual practitioners.68 Intravenous drug abuse was nearly six times as common in this group.69In one study of women who had sex only with women in the prior 12 months, 30 percent had bacterial vaginosis.70 Bacterial vaginosis is associated with higher risk for pelvic inflammatory disease and other sexually transmitted infections.71

In view of the record of lesbians having sex with many men, including gay men, and the increased incidence of intravenous drug use among lesbians, lesbians are not low risk for disease. Although researchers have only recently begun studying the transmission of STDs among lesbians, diseases such as “crabs,” genital warts, chlamydia and herpes have been reported.72 Even women who have never had sex with men have been found to have HPV, trichomoniasis and anogenital warts.73

C. Mental Health

1. Psychiatric Illness

Multiple studies have identified high rates of psychiatric illness, including depression, drug abuse and suicide attempts, among selfprofessed gays and lesbians.74 Some proponents of GLB rights have used these findings to conclude that mental illness is induced by other people’s unwillingness to accept same-sex attraction and behavior as normal. They point to homophobia, effectively defined as any opposition to or critique of gay sex, as the cause for the higher rates of psychiatric illness, especially among gay youth.75 Although homophobia must be considered as a potential cause for the increase in mental health problems, the medical literature suggests other conclusions.

An extensive study in the Netherlands undermines the assumption that homophobia is the cause of increased psychiatric illness among gays and lesbians. The Dutch have been considerably more accepting of same-sex relationships than other Western countries — in fact, same-sex couples now have the legal right to marry in the Netherlands.76 So a high rate of psychiatric disease associated with homosexual behavior in the Netherlands means that the psychiatric disease cannot so easily be attributed to social rejection and homophobia.

The Dutch study, published in the Archives of General Psychiatry, did indeed find a high rate of psychiatric disease associated with same-sex sex.77 Compared to controls who had no homosexual experience in the 12 months prior to the interview, males who had any homosexual contact within that time period were much more likely to experience major depression, bipolar disorder, panic disorder, agoraphobia and obsessive compulsive disorder. Females with any homosexual contact within the previous 12 months were more often diagnosed with major depression, social phobia or alcohol dependence. In fact, those with a history of homosexual contact had higher rates of nearly all psychiatric pathologies measured in the study.78 The researchers found “that homosexuality is not only associated with mental health problems during adolescence and early adulthood, as has been suggested, but also in later life.”79 Researchers actually fear that methodological features of “the study might underestimate the differences between homosexual and heterosexual people.”80

The Dutch researchers concluded, “this study offers evidence that homosexuality is associated with a higher prevalence of psychiatric disorders. The outcomes are in line with findings from earlier studies in which less rigorous designs have been employed.”81 The researchers offered no opinion as to whether homosexual behavior causes psychiatric disorders, or whether it is the result of psychiatric disorders.

2. Reckless Sexual Behavior

Depression and drug abuse can lead to reckless sexual behavior, even among those who are most likely to understand the deadly risks. In an article that was part of a series on “AIDS at 20,” the New York Times reported the risks that many gay men take. One night when a gay HIV prevention educator named Seth Watkins got depressed, he met an attractive stranger, had anal intercourse without a condom — and became HIV positive. In spite of his job training, the HIV educator nevertheless employed the psychological defense of “denial” in explaining his own sexual behavior:

“[L]ike an increasing number of gay men in San Francisco and elsewhere, Mr. Watkins sometimes still puts himself and possibly other people at risk. ‘I don’t like to think about it because I don’t want to give anyone H.I.V.,’ Mr. Watkins said.”82Another gay man named Vince, who had never before had anal intercourse without a condom, went to a sex club on the spur of the moment when he got depressed, and had unprotected sex: “I was definitely in a period of depression . . . . And there was just something about that particular circumstance and that particular person. I don’t know how to describe it. It just appealed to me; it made it seem like it was all right.”83Some of the men interviewed by the New York Times are deliberately reckless. One fatalistic gay man with HIV makes no apology for putting other men at risk: “The prospect of going through the rest of your life having to cover yourself up every time you want to get intimate with someone is an awful one. . . . Now I’ve got H.I.V. and I don’t have to worry about getting it,” he said. “There is a part of me that’s relieved. I was tired of always having to be careful, of this constant diligence that has to be paid to intimacy when intimacy should be spontaneous.”84After admitting to almost never using condoms he adds: “There is no such thing as safe sex. . . . If people want to use condoms, they can. I didn’t go out and purposely get H.I.V. Accidents happen.”85Other reports show similar disregard for the safety of self and others. A1998 study in Seattle found that 10 percent of HIV-positive men admitted they engaged in unprotected anal sex, and the percentage doubled in 2000.86 According to a study of men who attend gay “circuit” parties,87 the danger at such events is even greater. Ten percent of the men surveyed expected to become HIV-positive in their lifetime. Researchers discovered that 17 percent of the circuit party attendees surveyed were already HIV positive.88 Two thirds of those attending circuit parties had oral or anal sex, and 28 percent did not use condoms.89

In addition, drug use at circuit parties is ubiquitous. Although only 57 percent admit going to circuit parties to use drugs, 95 percent of the survey participants said they used psychoactive drugs at the most recent event they attended.90 There was a direct correlation between the number of drugs used during a circuit party weekend and the likelihood of unprotected anal sex.91 The researchers concluded that in view of their findings, “the likelihood of transmission of HIV and other Sexually Transmitted Diseases among party attendees and secondary partners becomes a real public health concern.”92

Good mental health would dictate foregoing circuit parties and other risky sex. But neither education nor adequate access to health care is a deterrent to such reckless behavior. “Research at the University of New South Wales found well-educated professional men in early middle age — those who experienced the AIDS epidemic of the 1980s — are most likely not to use a condom.”93

D. Shortened Life Span

The greater incidence of physical and mental health problems among gays and lesbians has serious consequences for length of life. While many are aware of the death toll from AIDS, there has been little public attention given to the magnitude of the lost years of life.

An epidemiological study from Vancouver, Canada of data tabulated between 1987 and 1992 for AIDS-related deaths reveals that male homosexual or bisexual practitioners lost up to 20 years of life expectancy. The study concluded that if 3 percent of the population studied were gay or bisexual, the probability of a 20-year-old gay or bisexual man living to 65 years was only 32 percent, compared to 78 percent for men in general.94 The damaging effects of cigarette smoking pale in comparison -cigarette smokers lose on average about 13.5 years of life expectancy.95

The impact on length of life may be even greater than reported in the Canadian study. First, HIV/AIDS is underreported by as much as 15-20 percent, so it is likely that not all AIDSrelated deaths were accounted for in the study.96 Second, there are additional major causes of death related to gay sex. For example, suicide rates among a San Francisco cohort were 3.4 times higher than the general U.S. male population in 1987.97 Other potentially fatal ailments such as syphilis, anal cancer, and Hepatitis B and C also affect gay and bisexual men disproportionately.98

E. “Monogamy”

Monogamy for heterosexual couples means at a minimum sexual fidelity. The most extensive survey of sex in America found that “a vast majority [of heterosexual married couples] are faithful while the marriage is intact.”99 The survey further found that 94 percent of married people and 75 percent of cohabiting people had only one partner in the prior year.100 In contrast, long-term sexual fidelity is rare among GLB couples, particularly among gay males. Even during the coupling period, many gay men do not expect monogamy. A lesbian critic of gay males notes that:

“After a period of optimism about the longrange potential of gay men’s one-on-one relationships, gay magazines are starting to acknowledge the more relaxed standards operating here, with recent articles celebrating the bigger bang of sex with strangers or proposing ‘monogamy without fidelity’-the latest Orwellian formulation to excuse having your cake and eating it too.”101Gay men’s sexual practices appear to be consistent with the concept of “monogamy without fidelity.” Astudy of gay men attending circuit parties showed that 46 percent were coupled, that is, they claimed to have a “primary partner.” Twenty-seven percent of the men with primary partners “had multiple sex partners (oral or anal) during their most recent circuit party weekend . . . .”102 For gay men, sex outside the primary relationship is ubiquitous even during the first year. Gay men reportedly have sex with someone other than their partner in 66 percent of relationships within the first year, rising to approximately 90 percent if the relationship endures over five years.103 And the average gay or lesbian relationship is short lived. In one study, only 15 percent of gay men and 17.3 percent of lesbians had relationships that lasted more than three years.104 Thus, the studies reflect very little long-term monogamy in GLB relationships.


II. CULTURAL IMPLICATIONS OF PROMISCUITY

“Don’t tear down a fence until you know why it was put up.” ~ African proverb

The societal implications of the unrestrained sexual activity described above are devastating. The ideal of sexual activity being limited to marriage, always defined as male-female, has been a fence erected in all civilizations around the globe.105 Throughout history, many people have climbed over the fence, engaging in premarital, extramarital and homosexual sex. Still, the fence stands; the limits are visible to all. Climbing over the fence, metaphorically, has always been recognized as a breach of those limits, even by the breachers themselves. No civilization can retain its vitality for multiple generations after removing the fence.106

But now social activists are saying that there should be no fence, and that to destroy the fence is an act of liberation.107 If the fence is torn down, there is no visible boundary to sexual expression. If gay sex is socially acceptable, what logical reason can there be to deny social acceptance of adultery, polygamy, or pedophilia? The polygamist movement already has support from some of the advocates for GLB rights.108 And some in the psychological profession are floating the idea that maybe pedophilia is not so damaging to children after all.109

Lesbian social critic Camille Paglia observes, “history shows that male homosexuality, which like prostitution flourishes with urbanization and soon becomes predictably ritualized, always tends toward decadence.”110 Gay author Gabriel Rotello writes of the changes in homosexual behavior in the last century:

“Most accounts of male-on-male sex from the early decades of this century [20th] cite oral sex, and less often masturbation, as the predominant forms of activity, with the acknowledged homosexual fellating or masturbating his partner. Comparatively fewer accounts refer to anal sex. My own informal survey of older gay men who were sexually active prior to World War II gives credence to the idea that anal sex, especially anal sex with multiple partners, was considerably less common than it later became.”111Not only has the practice of anal sex increased, condom use has declined 20 percent and multi-partner sex has doubled in the last seven years,112 despite billions of dollars spent on HIV prevention campaigns. “In many cases, the prevention slogans that galvanized gay men in the early years of the epidemic now fall on deaf ears.”113 As should be expected, the health-care costs resulting from gay promiscuity are substantial.114 Social approval of gay sex leads to an increase in such behavior. As early as 1993, Newsweek reported that the growing media presence and social acceptance of homosexual behavior was leading to teenager experimentation to the extent that it was “becoming chic.”115 A more recent report stated that “the way gays and lesbians appear in the media may make some people more comfortable acting on homosexual impulses.”116 In addition, one of the goals of GLB advocates’ quest for domestic partner benefits from employers is to motivate more gays and lesbians “to come out of the closet.”117 If, as suggested above, being “out” results in a greater incidence of promiscuity, employer decisions to provide domestic partner benefits may have a negative impact on employee health. Indeed, giving gays and lesbians the social approval they desire may ultimately lead to an early death for employees who otherwise might have restrained their sexual behavior.

Research designed to prove that gays and lesbians are “born that way” has come up empty — there is no scientific evidence that being gay or lesbian is genetically determined.118 Even researcher Dean Hamer, who once hoped he had identified a “gay gene,” admits “there is a lot more than just genes going on.”119


CONCLUSION

It is clear that there are serious medical consequences to same-sex behavior. Identification with a GLB community appears to lead to an increase in promiscuity, which in turn leads to a myriad of Sexually Transmitted Diseases and even early death. A compassionate response to requests for social approval and recognition of GLB relationships is not to assure gays and lesbians that homosexual relationships are just like heterosexual ones, but to point out the health risks of gay sex and promiscuity. Approving same-sex relationships is detrimental to employers, employees and society in general.


APPENDIX A

Definitional Impediments to Research

Unfortunately, endeavors to assess the actual practices and the health consequences of male and female homosexual behavior are hampered by imprecise definitions. For many, being gay or lesbian or bisexual is a political identity that does not necessarily correspond to sexual behavior. And investigators find that sexual behavior fluctuates over time:

“[P]eople often change their sexual behavior during their lifetimes, making it impossible to state that a particular set of behaviors defines a person as gay. A man who has sex with men today, for example, might not have done so 10 years ago.”120Defining the terms becomes even more difficult when people who identify as gay or lesbian enter heterosexual relationships. Joanne Loulan, a well-known lesbian, has talked openly about her two-year relationship with a man: “‘I come from this background that sex is an activity, it’s not an identity,’ says Loulan. ‘It was funny for a while, but then it turned out to be something more connected, more deep. Something more important. And that’s when my life started really going topsy turvy.'” While critics complain that “You can’t be a lesbian and be having sex with men,” Loulan sees no contradiction in the fact that she “adamantly refuses to call herself a bisexual, to give up the lesbian identity.”121 Several high-profile lesbian media stars that have abandoned lesbianism further illustrate the difficulty in defining homosexuality. An article about the now defunct couple, Anne Heche and Ellen Degeneres, said, “Although the pair never publicly discussed the reason for their breakup, it has been heavily rumored that Heche decided to go back to heterosexuality.”122 Heche married a man on Sept. 1, 2001.123

As recently as June 2000, pop-music star Sinead O’Connor said, “I’m a lesbian . . . although I haven’t been very open about that, and throughout most of my life I’ve gone out with blokes because I haven’t necessarily been terribly comfortable about being a lesbian. But I actually am a lesbian.”124 Then, shocking the gay world that applauded her “coming out,” O’Connor’s sexual identity fluctuated again when she withdrew from participating in a lesbian music festival because of her marriage to British Press Association reporter Nick Sommerlad.125

Although women get most of the press coverage of fluctuating between same-sex and heterosexual relationships, men can experience similar fluidity. Gay author John Stoltenberg has lived with a lesbian, Andrea Dworkin, since 1974.126 And a 2000 survey in Australia found that 19 percent of gay men reported having sex with a woman in the six months prior to the survey.127 This fluctuation in sexual “orientation” inhibits the creation of a fixed definition of homosexuality. As one group of researchers stated the problem:

“Does a man who has homosexual sex in prison count as a homosexual? Does a man who left his wife of twenty years for a gay lover count as a homosexual or heterosexual? Do you count the number of years he spent with his wife as compared to his lover? Does the married woman who had sex with her college roommate a decade ago count? Do you assume that one homosexual experience defines someone as gay for all time?”128Despite the difficulty in defining homosexuality, the one thing that is clear is that those who engage in same-sex practices or identify themselves as gay, lesbian or bisexual constitute a very small percentage of the population. The most reliable studies indicate that 1-3 percent of people — and probably less than 2 percent — consider themselves to be gay, lesbian or bisexual, or currently practice same-sex sex.129


Endnotes

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  2. Becky Birtha, “Gay Parents and the Adoption Option,” The Philadelphia Inquirer, March 04, 2002, http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/ 2787531.htm; Grant Pick, “Make Room for Daddy — and Poppa,” The Chicago Tribune Internet Edition, March 24, 2002, http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/magazine/chi- 0203240463mar24.story
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  4. Gabriel Rotello, Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay Men, p. 112, New York: Penguin Group, 1998 (quoting gay writer Michael Lynch).
  5. Alan P. Bell and Martin S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A study of Diversity Among Men and Women, p. 308, Table 7, New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978.
  6. Leon McKusick, et al., “Reported Changes in the Sexual Behavior of Men at Risk for AIDS, San Francisco, 1982-84 — the AIDS Behavioral Research Project,” Public Health Reports, 100(6): 622-629, p. 625, Table 1 (November- December 1985). In 1982 respondents reported an average of 4.7 new partners in the prior month; in 1984, respondents reported an average of 2.5 new partners in the prior month.
  7. “Increases in Unsafe Sex and Rectal Gonorrhea among Men Who Have Sex with Men — San Francisco, California, 1994-1997,” Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report, CDC, 48(03): 45-48, p. 45 (January 29, 1999).
  8. This was evident by the late 80’s and early 90’s. Jeffrey A. Kelly, PhD, et al., “Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome/ Human Immunodeficiency Virus Risk Behavior Among Gay Men in Small Cities,” Archives of Internal Medicine, 152: 2293-2297, pp. 2295-2296 (November 1992); Donald R. Hoover, et al., “Estimating the 1978-1990 and Future Spread of Human Immunodeficiency Virus Type 1 in Subgroups of Homosexual Men,” American Journal of Epidemiology, 134(10): 1190-1205, p. 1203 (1991).
  9. A lesbian pastor made this assertion during a question and answer session that followed a presentation the author made on homosexual health risks at the Chatauqua Institute in Western New York, summer 2001.
  10. Paul Van de Ven, et al., “Facts & Figures: 2000 Male Out Survey,” p. 20 & Table 20, monograph published by National Centre in HIV Social Research Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences, The University of New South Wales, February 2001.
  11. Rotello, pp. 43-46.
  12. Ibid., pp. 165-172.
  13. Hoover, et al., Figure 3.
  14. “Basic Statistics,” CDC — Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention, June 2001, http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm. (Nearly 8% (50,066) of men with AIDS had sex with men and used intravenous drugs. These men are included in the 64% figure (411,933) of 649,186 men who have been diagnosed with AIDS.)
  15. Figures from a study presented at the Infectious Diseases Society of America meeting in San Francisco and reported by Christopher Heredia, “Big spike in cases of syphilis in S.F.: Gay, bisexual men affected most,” San Francisco Chronicle, October 26, 2001, http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/10/26/MN7489 3.DTL.
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  19. The Gay and Lesbian Medical Association (GLMA) recently published a press release entitled “Ten Things Gay Men Should Discuss with Their Health Care Providers” (July 17, 2002), http://www.glma.org/news/ releases/n02071710gaythings.html. The list includes: HIV/AIDS (Safe Sex), Substance Use, Depression/ Anxiety, Hepatitis Immunization, STDs, Prostate/ Testicular/Colon Cancer, Alcohol, Tobacco, Fitness and Anal Papilloma.
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  22. Rotello, p. 92.
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  27. Heredia, “Big spike in cases of syphilis in S.F.: Gay, bisexual men affected most.”
  28. “Changing Patterns of Groups at High Risk for Hepatitis B in the United States,” Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, CDC, 37(28): 429-432, p. 437 (July 22, 1988). Hepatitis B and C are viral diseases of the liver.
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  37. Rompalo, p. 1640.
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  42. Ibid.
  43. C. M. Thorpe and G. T. Keutsch, “Enteric bacterial pathogens: Shigella, Salmonella, Campylobacter,” in K. K. Holmes, P. A. Mardh, et al., (Eds.), Sexually Transmitted Diseases (3rd edition), p. 549, New York: McGraw-Hill Health Professionals Division, 1999.
  44. Tim Bonfield, “Typhoid traced to sex encounters,” Cincinnati Enquirer, April 26, 2001; Erin McClam, “Health Officials Document First Sexual Transmission of Typhoid in U.S.,” Associated Press, April 25, 2001, http://www.thebody.com/ cdc/news_updates_archive/apr26_01/typhoid.html. A representative of the Foodborne and Diarrheal Diseases Branch, Division of Bacterial and Mycotic Diseases at the CDC in Atlanta, Georgia, confirmed this report and provided a link to the AP story on October 4, 2002.
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  48. Jay and Young, pp. 554-555.
  49. Sade, Marquis de, Justine or Good Conduct Well Chastised (1791), New York: Grove Press (1965).
  50. Michigan Rope internet advertisement for “Bondage and Beyond,” which was scheduled for February 9-10, 2002, near Detroit, Michigan, http://www.michiganrope.com/ MichiganRopeWorkshop.html. The explicit nature of the advertisement was changed following unexpected publicity, and the hotel where the conference was scheduled ultimately canceled it. Marsha Low, “Hotel Ties Noose Around 2-Day Bondage Meeting,” Detroit Free Press, January 25, 2002, http://www.freep.com/news/locoak/ nrope25_20020125.htm.
  51. Allyson Smith, “Ramada to host ‘Vicious Valentine’ Event,” WorldNet Daily, February 14, 2002, http://www.worldnetdaily. com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26453; “Vicious Valentine 5 Celebrates Mardi Gras, Feb 15-17, 2002,” http://www.leatherquest.com/events/vv2002.htm.
  52. The sadistic rape of 13-year-old Jesse Dirkhising on September 26, 1999, left him dead. See Andrew Sullivan, “The Death of Jesse Dirkhising,” The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, April 1, 2001.
  53. Jay and Young, pp. 554-555.
  54. Gay and Lesbian Medical Association, “MSM: Clinician’s Guide to Incorporating Sexual Risk Assessment in Routine Visits,” http://www.glma.org/medical/clinical/msm_assessment. html.
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  56. As of January 1, 1999, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) estimated the cancer prevalence in the United States to be 8.9 million. “Estimated US Cancer Prevalence Counts: Who Are Our Cancer Survivors in the US?,” Cancer Control & Population Sciences, National Cancer Institute, April 2002, http://www.cancercontrol.cancer.gov/ocs/prevalence. In 1999, the American Cancer Society (ACS) estimated 1,221,800 new cancer cases in the US and an estimated 563,100 cancer related deaths, “Cancer Facts and Figures 1999,” p. 4, American Cancer Society, Inc., 1999, http://www.cancer.org/ downloads/STT/F&F99.pdf; in 2000, the ACS estimated 1,220,100 new cancer cases and 552,200 deaths from cancer, “Cancer Facts and Figures 2000,” p. 4, American Cancer Society, Inc., 2000, http://www.cancer.org/downloads/STT/ F&F00.pdf; in 2001, the ACS estimated a total number of 1,268,000 new cases of cancer and 553,400 deaths, “Cancer Facts and Figures 2001,” p. 5, American Cancer Society, Inc., 2001, http://www.cancer.org/downloads/STT/ F&F2001.pdf. This results in an estimated growth of 2,041,200 new cancer cases over the past three years and an estimated 10,941,200 people with cancer as of January 1, 2002. In 2001 there were 793,025 reported AIDS cases. “Basic Statistics,” CDC — Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention, June 2001, http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm.
  57. The federal spending for AIDS research in 2001 was $2,247,000,000, while the spending for cancer research was not even double that at $4,376,400,000. “Funding For Research Areas of Interest,” National Institute of Health, 2002, www4.od.nih.gov/officeofbudget/ FundingResearchAreas.htm.
  58. Ibid.; “Fast Stats Ato Z: Diabetes,” CDC — National Center for Health Statistics, June 04, 2002, http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/ fastats/diabetes.htm; “Fast Stats A to Z: Heart Disease,” CDC — National Center for Health Statistics, June 06, 2002, http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/heart.htm.
  59. Gay and Lesbian Medical Association Press Release, “Ten Things Lesbians Should Discuss with Their Health Care Providers” (July 17, 2002), http://www.glma.org/news/ releases/n02071710lesbianthings.html. The list includes Breast Cancer, Depression/Anxiety, Gynecological Cancer, Fitness, Substance Use, Tobacco, Alcohol, Domestic Violence, Osteoporosis and Heart Health.
  60. Michael, et al., p. 176 (“about 1.4 percent of women said they thought of themselves as homosexual or bisexual and about 2.8% of the men identified themselves in this way”).
  61. See Appendix A.
  62. Skinner, et al., Abstract; Ferris, et al. p. 581; James Price, et al., p. 90; see Appendix A.
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  64. Ibid., p. 347.
  65. Ibid.
  66. Ibid.
  67. Ibid., p. 348.
  68. Ibid., p. 347, Table 1; Susan D. Cochran, et al., “Cancer- Related Risk Indicators and Preventive Screening Behaviors Among Lesbians and Bisexual Women,” American Journal of Public Health, 91(4): 591-597 (April 2001); Juliet Richters, Sara Lubowitz, et al., “HIV risks among women in contact with Sydney’s gay and lesbian community,” Venereology, 11(3): 35-38 (1998); Juliet Richters, Sarah Bergin, et al., “Women in Contact with the Gay and Lesbian Community: Sydney Women and Sexual Health Survey 1996 and 1998,” National Centre in HIV Social Research, University of New South Wales, 1999.
  69. Fethers, et al., p. 347 and Table 1.
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  73. Ibid., p. 159.
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  76. “Netherlands Ends Discrimination in Civil Marriage: Gays to Wed,” Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund Press Release, March 30, 2001, http://lambdalegal.org/cgibin/ pages/documents/record?record=814.
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  78. Ibid.
  79. Ibid., p. 89.
  80. Ibid., p. 90 (emphasis added).
  81. Ibid.
  82. Erica Goode, “With Fears Fading, More Gays Spurn Old Preventive Message,” New York Times, August 19, 2001.
  83. Ibid.
  84. Ibid.
  85. Ibid.
  86. “Officials Voice Alarm Over Halt in AIDS Decline,” New York Times, August 14, 2001.
  87. “A uniform definition of a circuit party does not exist, partly because such parties continue to evolve. However, a circuit party tends to be a multi-event weekend that occurs each year at around the same time and in the same town . . . .” Gordon Mansergh, Grant Colfax, et al., “The Circuit Party Men’s Health Survey: Findings and Implications for Gay and Bisexual Men,” American Journal of Public Health, 91(6): 953-958, p. 953 (June 2001).
  88. Ibid., p. 955.
  89. Ibid., p. 956.
  90. Ibid., pp. 956-957, Tables 2 & 3.
  91. Ibid., pp. 956-957.
  92. Ibid., p. 957. The authors’ recommendation was more education.
  93. Julie Robotham, “Safe sex by arrangement as gay men reject condoms,” Sydney Morning Herald, June 7, 2001. Data source: 2000 Male Out Survey, National Centre in HIV Social Research, Australia.
  94. R. S. Hogg, S. A. Strathdee, et al., “Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men,” International Journal of Epidemiology, 26(3): 657-661, p. 659 (1997). Death as the result of HIV infection has dropped significantly since 1996. “Life Expectancy Hits New High in 2000; Mortality Declines for Several Leading Causes of Death,” CDC News Release, October 10, 2001, http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/releases/01news/mort2k.htm. Nevertheless, it remains a significant factor in shortened life expectancy for homosexual practitioners.
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  99. Robert T. Michael, et al., p. 89.
  100. Ibid., p. 101.
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  105. The existence of limited homosexual relationships in primitive cultures, or even extensive homosexuality in declining civilizations, such as those cited by advocates of same-sex marriage, does not challenge the existence of a prevailing norm. See, for example, William N. Eskridge, Jr., The Case for Same-Sex Marriage, Chapter 2, New York: The Free Press, 1996.
  106. Joseph D. Unwin, “Sexual Regulations and Cultural Behaviour,” pp. 18-19, reprint of Oxford University Press publication of speech given before the Medical Section of the British Psychological Society, March 27, 1935.
  107. For example, see the website of the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom, Inc., http://www.ncsfreedom.org.
  108. “The ACLU believes that criminal and civil laws prohibiting or penalizing the practice of plural marriage violate constitutional protections . . . .” 1992 Policy Guide of the ACLU, Policy #91, p. 175.
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  110. Paglia, June 23, 1998.
  111. Rotello, p. 42.
  112. Goode, August 19, 2001.
  113. Ibid.
  114. See Michael Hamrick, The Hidden Costs of Domestic Partner Benefits, pp. 3-4 (Corporate Resource Council, 2002).
  115. David Gelman, et al., “Tune In, Come Out,” Newsweek, p. 70, November 8, 1993.
  116. “Iowa study suggests tolerance of homosexuals is growing,” Associated Press, March 23, 2001.
  117. Sally Kohn, The Domestic Partnership Organizing Manual for Employee Benefits, p. 1, the Policy Institute of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, http://www.ngltf.org/ downloads/dp-/dp_99.pdf.
  118. John Horgan, “Gay Genes, Revisited,” Scientific American, p. 26, November 1995.
  119. Matthew Brelis, “The Fading ‘Gay Gene,'” The Boston Globe, March 20, 2002, p. C1.
  120. Michael, et al., p. 172.
  121. Lynn Scherr, “Lesbian Leader Loves a Man,” ABCNews.com, April 17, 1998.
  122. “Former Lesbian Anne Heche Engaged to Cameraman,” ABCNews.com, June 1, 2001 (emphasis added), reprinted at http://www.gaywired.com/index.cfm?linkPage=/storydetail.cf m&Section=68&ID=5304.
  123. “The Facts: Anne Heche,” Eonline.msn, April 1, 2002, http://www.eonline.com/Facts/People/Bio/0,128,31319,00.html.
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  125. “Sinead Drops out of Wotapalava Tour,” JAM! Music, May 31, 2001, http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicArtistsO/oconnor_ sinead.html.
  126. John Stoltenberg, “Living with Andrea Dworkin,” Lambda Book Report, May/June 1994, reprinted at http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/LivingWithAnd rea.html.
  127. Julie Robotham, “Safe sex by arrangement as gay men reject condoms,” The Sydney Morning Herald, June 7, 2001. Data source: “2000 Male Out Survey,” National Centre in HIV Social Research, Australia.
  128. Michael, et al., p. 172.
  129. Edward O. Laumann, John H. Gagnon, et al., The social organization of sexuality: Sexual practices in the United States, p. 293, Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994; Michael, et al., p. 176; David Forman and Clair Chilvers, “Sexual Behavior of Young and Middle-Aged Men in England and Wales,” British Medical Journal, 298: 1137-1142 (1989); and Gary Remafedi, et al., “Demography of Sexual Orientation in Adolescents,” Pediatrics, 89: 714-721 (1992).

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Tweedens, veroordeel die Bybel dit:

Die eerste verwysing na homoseks is in die boek Genesis. Interessant dat feitlik al die seksueles sondes reeds in die boek vermeld word, buiten pedofilie en bestialiteit.

Uit die verhaal van Sodom en Gomorra is dit duidelik dat God homoseks veroordeel. Die oordeel waarmee hierdie getref word, word ook vermeld 2 Petrus en Judas. Uit beide hierdie aanhalings (2 Petrus 2:6-7 en Judas :7) is dit duidelik dat hierdie leefstyl “goddeloos” en “losbandig” is. Judas noem die sonde van die manne van Sodom dan ook dat hulle “omgang met vreemde wesens” gesoek. Om omgang met iemand van dieselfde geslag te hê, word “omgang met vreemde wesens” genoem aangesien dit onnatuurlik is – God het nooit in gedagte gehad dat mans met mans seksueel moet verkeer nie!

Daarom dat God homoseks in Levitikus veroordeel as ‘n gruwel – ‘n afskuwelike sonde (Levitikus 20:12). En hierdie teks verwys nie na tempelprostitusie soos die pro-homseksuele drukgroep beweer nie.

Verdere duidelike verwysings na die sonde van homoseks vind ons in Romeine 1, waar die oorsprong daarvan verwys word na die rebellie van die mens wat besluit om God se wil te verwerp. Die Bybel  leer dat homoseksualiteit die gevolg is van goddelose mense wat die waarheid deur hul ongeregtigheid probeer onderdruk. (Rom. 1:18). Mense wat met hul redenasies niks bereik nie en deur hul gebrek aan insig in die duister bly. Hulle gee voor dat hulle verstandig is, maar hulle is dwaas. In plaas van die heerlikheid van die onverganklike God voorop te stel, stel hulle [hulself] voor Hom. Die gevolg hiervan? God gee hulle oor aan die drange van hul hart en aan sedelike onreinheid, sodat hulle hulle liggame onder mekaar onteer. Homoseksualiteit is dus ‘n oordeel van God oor mense wat die wil van God ontken en hul eie redenasies bo God se wysheid stel. Dié tekste kan op geen ander manier geïnterpreteer word nie! Om hierdie waarheid te verdraai sal diegene wat hulself aan hierdie leefstyl oorgee duur te staan kom.

1 Korinthiërs 6 dui ook aan dat homoseks in die oë van die Here ‘n gruwel is. Let egter op dat nie alleen nie-verloste homoseksuele nie die ewige lewe sal verkry nie, ook leuenaars, egbrekers, ens. – waarvan ek seker is daar meer in die kerk is as homoseksuele.

  •  Die wonderlike nuus van hierdie Nuwe Testamentiese verwysings is egter dat God die mens wil verlos – en kan verlos – nie die verdoeming van homoseksuele nie, maar. Daarom dat Paulus hom verheug in die verkondiging van die evangelie wat die krag van God tot redding is (Rom. 1:16). Dieselfde goeie boodskap word ook herhaal in Korinthiërs herhaal: God verlos homoseksuele net soos Hy enige sondaar verlos uit enige sonde – geen sonde is te groot of klein nie: “En so was party van julle juis ook. Maar julle het julle sonde laat afwas, julle is geheilig, julle is vrygespreek in die Naam van die Here Jesus Christus en deur die Gees van ons God (1 Korinthiërs 6:11). Om te beweer dat God nie van homseksualiteit verlos is om die algenoegsaamheid van Sy verlossing te belaster. Diegene wat egter kies om te volhard in hul sonde en wat nie die verlossing van God aangryp nie, sal die prys vir hul dwaasheid moet betaal.

 Ek besef dat hierdie boodskap nie baie gewild gaan wees nie, maar die boodskap van volkome verlossing vir enigiemand wat in verslawende sonde vasgevang is, is die boodskap van die Bybel. Tewens, dit is juis wat 1 Korinthiërs 6:11 sê. Die Griekse woord wat in die teks “was” vertaal word, dui juis aan dat dit ‘n gewoontelike sonde in die verlede tyd was. Dit was dus ‘n verslawing, maar is by redding het God dit afgewas, geheilig. Diegene wat dus gered is, het oorwinning verkry deur die nuwe lewe wat hulle ontvang het by wedergeboorte!

  • Ek sluit af met ‘n getuienis van ‘n eenmalige lesbiër, hoe sy en haar “vriendin” volkome verlossing gevind het in Jesus Christus. Meer sulke getuienisse is beskikbaar op die webtuiste van “Exodus International.”

Finding Joy as a Woman

by Elaine Sinnard

From my earliest memories, I loved to dress up in “boys” clothes. My older brother (by nine years) had always wanted a little brother, and I did everything I could to fill that role. After Dad’s death when I was five, my mother bought a 40-acre farm where she built a house (this was in the 1930s during the Depression). I wore bib overalls, high-top working shoes, and went without a shirt like my brother. I got acquainted with some of the neighborhood boys and we became buddies. I was strong for my age and could beat up the boys. This gave me power and control over them, and made me feel safe and respected. My mother and grandmother fought a great deal and seemed to hate each other intensely. I never ever want to be like either one of them, I vowed to myself. In my mind, women were always angry, yelling, scolding, and disgusting. 

Then came the first day of school. Much to my horror, I was forced to wear a dress! I felt totally humiliated during recess when one of the boys pulled up my dress and then ran away as he shouted, “I just wanted to see if you had overalls on underneath.” 

I began fantasizing about a machine that would change me instantly into a young man like the silent-movie star, Rudoph Valentino. I could dress in handsome clothing, be desired by women, and make lots of money to care for Mother and my family. 

My brother knew about my desire to be a boy and told me to eat three worms to bring about the change. I was so desperate that I followed his directions. Being a boy would solve all my problems, I thought. I intensely hated being a girl. 

I answered to the name “Jeri” and refused to allow anyone in my family to call me “Elaine.” Mother was a Christian Scientist and allowed me to wear knickers and boy’s shirts to class. When the teacher complained about my mode of dress, Mother indignantly took me out of Sunday School. I thought she was terrific for defending me. 

During the Second World War I attended dance school. I was tall and awkward, but still attractive and young men began to notice me. When we kissed, I fantasized that I was the man kissing some gloriously beautiful woman. 

At 18, I got into show business, dancing at a small nightclub. I formed an intense crush on one of the other female dancers. We were close and went everywhere together. I did anything to gain and keep her attention. Within several years, I was fully into lesbian behavior, always in the masculine role. At last I had found my rightful place in life. 

After several lesbian relationships, I met an older woman who fell head-over-heels in love with me. She was extremely masculine and not my “type” at all. But I had been undergoing therapy to try and become more feminine, so I decided to become her lover. I was trying to be a woman for the first time in my life, but I hated it. After 18 years of misery, I finally left her for a feminine woman, instantly reverting back to the male role. 

My partner, Penny, and I purchased a home and art studio together (I was a professional artist). All our gay friends thought it was a wonderful match. But as time went on, anger, fear, jealousy, possessiveness, alcohol abuse and verbal abuse entered our relationship. Within a year-and-a-half of this new relationship with Penny, I felt utterly hopeless. 

Then, in July 1978, I made a decision to accept Jesus Christ as my Savior while jogging. Penny made the same decision alone one morning about a month later. Neither one of us knew anything had happened to the other for a while. Then we noticed each other reading the Bible. 

To our knowledge, we did not know any Christians. No one had been sharing with us about Christ and our need of Him–yet God drew us to Himself by the power of His Holy Spirit. 

Both of us noticed good things happening to our relationship. Foul language, drinking, parties–gay or straight–were not desirable to us anymore. We were changing. In time we began attending church and learned that we had been “born again” (see John 3). How thrilling to finally understand what was happening to us.  Both of us read the Bible with hunger and fell deeply in love with Jesus. Then one day I read about lesbianism in Romans 1:26. It was frightening and horrible to learn that God did not approve of my lesbianism. Devastated, I showed the Scripture verse to Penny. We were stunned. 

After much discussion, prayer, crying and grieving, we determined to follow Jesus Christ anyway. We loved Him too much to turn away from following and loving Him. 

But after serving the Lord for six years while trying to continue our homosexual relationship, we could not handle it any longer. One evening we prayed together and asked God to give us the gift of celibacy like the Apostle Paul (1 Cor. 7:7). 

God granted our request, but it was after much struggling that we were victorious. (Now we have been free from sexual sin for over 16 years.) But we still had the mindset that we were celibate homosexual women. 

Then we located an ex-gay ministry in New York City. “You were not born gay,” they explained. “You are maturing into normal, heterosexual women.” This was hard for us to believe. 

But as we matured in the Lord, we began to realize that we could trust God and His Word. He said we were “new creatures” (2 Cor. 5:17) and we decided to believe it. Our gay feelings were changing, so why hold on to the gay label? We decided to see ourselves as God sees us–new creatures made in His image and likeness. We carefully renewed our minds daily with the “washing of the Word” (Eph. 5:26), and God continued His transforming work. 

Now, looking back, I can see that much of our growth came through the Body of Christ, from our church friends–both men and women–loving and accepting us over the past 22 years. The love we have for each other has become the same love we have for close brothers and sisters in Christ. Our friendship needs are now being met in healthy, wholesome and Christlike ways. 

Penny and I continue to share a home, which has puzzled some people who ask, “How can you live with your former lover and claim to be free of homosexuality?” If I was still battling homosexual attractions and unhealthy emotional entanglements, I definitely could not live with Penny and remain a strong, peaceful Christian. But for the past 16 years, we have both been increasingly healed and now relate to each other as heterosexual women. It is not sinful for heterosexual women to share a home. 

Of course, life continues to bring challenges. Now, as a “senior citizen,” I’ve found that young and old alike are listening more to younger people these days. This reality has been hard to face at times. I used to think that growing older as a Christian would bring dignity, worth and respect. But sometimes the generation gap seems even more noticeable in the church than it was in the gay community. 

Even so, I pray to be a holy and healthy “spiritual mother” to younger men and women whom God brings into my life. I no longer look for the unhealthy attention I sought as a youth. Now I look to God for my deepest needs to be met. “Our physical body is becoming older and weaker, but our spirit inside us is made new every day” (2 Cor. 4:16). 

My joy and satisfaction in life comes from being well-pleasing to my Heavenly Father. I am happy being the woman God made me to be. Apart from my salvation, that’s the greatest miracle of all. 

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Copyright 2000 by Elaine Sinnard (Whosoever Will, PO Box 277, Middletown, NY 10940 Phone 914-274-8128)

30 responses to “Die Bybel en Homoseks

  1. Modereer my maar…
    Wat ‘n pot ***. Diggs se werk is reeds lankal gediskrediteer in die wetenskap. Vermeld tog dat die bona fide navorsers na wie se werk in die “studie” verwys word, gevra het dat hulle werk nie so “distort” moet word deur mense soos Diggs nie.

    Sam sê: Hoef ek enigsins by te voeg by jou kommentaar? Ek het net jou taalgebruik gemodereer, ter wille van ons beskaafde lesers! Hoop nie jy gee om nie?Miskien moet jy oplet na die bibliografie – elke feit kan deeglik nagegaan word. Het jy al probeer?

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  3. Hi,

    Sjoe…..verskriklik interessant. Ek kan nie wag vir die res nie. Dankie vir die food for thought. Sal probeer om my gedagtes in woorde te kry.

    Mooi gedoen.

    Michelle

  4. Hierdie is die langste post wat ek nog ooit op ‘n blog gelees het!

  5. Sam, ek het eerlikwaar nie ‘n saak of jy dink homoseksualiteit is verkeerd, ‘n perversie of watookal nie. Ek het ‘n probleem met die stelling wat jy maak dat die mediese wetenskap homoseksualiteit veroordeel. Dit is doodgewoon nie waar nie, want:
    1. Die mediese wetenskap beskryf en maak nie morele uitsprake nie. As jy sou skryf dat die mediese wetenskap homoseksualiteit as ‘n patologie beskryf, sou jy ten minste wetenskaplike taal gebruik het. Morele uitsprake is die domein van Etiek.
    2. Maar jy kan dit ook nie as ‘n patologie sien nie, want die mediese wetenskap beskou dit al vir meer as 30 jaar nie as ‘n patologie, versteuring of watookal nie. Ek het op my blog verwysings geplaas na die wetenskaplike verenigings en hulle sienings rondom homoseksualiteit. Nie één stem saam met jou analise nie.
    3. Deel van die wetenskaplike proses is “peer review” om wetenskaplikes se denkprosesse en navorsingsmetodologie aan kritiek te onderwerp. So word swak wetenskap aan die kaak gestel en bekamp. Kan jy aan ons die peer review journal se naam gee waarin Diggs se studie verskyn het? Dit is hoe wetenskap werk.
    4. Voorbeeld: Die Bell en Weinberg studie waarna Diggs verwys, skiet metodologies tekort. Die homoseksuele steekproef was nie ewekansig nie, terwyl die heteroseksuele steekproef wel was. Daar is nog probleme met hul metodologie.
    5. Let op die ouderdom van baie van Diggs se bronne. Een van die vereistes van gevorderde navorsingstudies, is dat die oorwig bronnestudies resent moet wees.
    6. Net omdat ‘n navorser baie bronne aanhaal, verleen dit nie gesag aan die studie nie. Dit bring ons terug by peer review. Jy het dit nodig om te bevestig bronne is korrek geïnterpreteer en aangewend. Diggs se konklusies word nie deur die mediese wetenskap aanvaar nie. Watter wetenskaplikes steun hom nog? Ek stel voor jy noem nie Paul Cameron nie. Selfs die webwerwe waar jy die inligting gaan soek het, is besig om hulle van hom te distansieer…
    Dus, soos ek sê, ek het nie ‘n saak wat jou of jou kerk se opinie is nie, maar die mediese wetenskap steun nie jou en Diggs se konklusie nie. Jy gaan meer as een studie moet plaas om die teendeel te bewys. En jy gaan moet verduidelik hoekom al die mediese assosiasies van wetenskaplikes nie jou siening deel nie.

    Sam sê: Klink my ek het nou ‘n roof gaan staan en oop krap!

    Daar is baie soortgelyke verslae. Hierdie is maar een wat ek aangehaal het. Miskien sal die navorsers nie saamstem met hoe Diggs hulle aangehaal het nie, feit bly staan die bevindings bly objektief wetenskaplik (die navorsing is nie deur Diggs gedoen nie, nogtans is dit wetenskaplik gedoen). Diggs het bloot al die feite bymekaargemaak en daaruit die afleiding gemaak dat homoseksualiteit nie ‘n baie gesonde leefstyl is nie. En ek stem met hom saam – en laat dit aan die lesers oor om vir hulself te besluit of hulle met sy gevolgrtekkings saamstem.

    Oor die wetenskaplikheid van die American Psychiatric Association en sy sielkundige eweknie se evaluasie van homoseksualiteit sal ons maar niks sê nie. Homoseksualiteit was die eerste sielkundige afwyking wat deur ‘n drukgroep (raai wie?) van die rol sielkundige afwykings geskrap is. Ek moet egter toegee dat hierdie stap korrek was. Die probleem is egter dat dit nooit in die eerste plek op hulle boeke geplaas moes word nie, want dit was nooit ‘n siekte of afwyking nie. ‘n Bybelse perspektief daarvan is dat dit nie God se intensie was vir die seksualiteit van die mens nie. Homoseks is sonde, nie ‘n sielkundige afwyking nie. Die oplossing is geestelik.

    Verstaan my asseblief mooi: ek wil nie homoseksuele veroordeel nie. Ek moet erken dat die wat ek ontmoet het baie interessante en welbelese mense is. Ek het nog altyd hul geselskap geniet. Ek kan egter nie onthou dat ek een ontmoet het wat in sy wese gelukkig is nie – hulle het maar altyd baie “issues” gehad. Die God van die Bybel het ‘n soveel beter alternatiewe leefstyl vir homoseksuele!

  6. Terloops, George – ek het geen affiliasie met Aksie Morele Standaarde nie. Ons morele posisie klink seker dieselfde aangesien ons dieselfde bron van waarheid gebruik – naamlik die Bybel.

    Groetnis!

  7. Nee wat Sam, hou maar jou pseudo psigo-analises vir jouself. Dit is tog so tipies. As ‘n mens met sekere Christene oor enige iets verskil, dan is dit omdat “jy issues het”. Nóóit spreek julle die feite aan nie; onmiddellik word die persoon gepsigo-analiseer om aandag van die feite af te lei.

    Sodra die wetenskap nie jou siening deel nie, is dit omdat hulle korrup is of daar is die een of ander sameswering. Gaan lees weer wat jy hier geskryf het:

    “Miskien sal die navorsers nie saamstem met hoe Diggs hulle aangehaal het nie, feit bly staan die bevindings bly objektief wetenskaplik (die navorsing is nie deur Diggs gedoen nie, nogtans is dit wetenskaplik gedoen).”

    Hoe, vra ek jou, kan jy so iets kwytraak en nie ongemaklik voel nie? Ek mag ‘n navorser se werk neem en afleidings daaruit maak wat die navorser stel mens nie kan maak nie, weens die beperkinge van die studie en dit dan objektiewe wetenskap noem? Hauk!

    Diggs se navorsing verwys ook na die Nederlandse studie. Weer eens, google maar op die internet… Daar is net ‘n paar studies wat onder regse Christene gesirkuleer word, almal op die periferie van die wetenskap. Glo my, ek ken hulle almal.

    Ek het ‘n vermoede dat jy ook nie baie bewus is van die politiek in organisasies soos Exodus International nie. Het jy al mooi na onderhoude met Alan Chambers geluister?

    In elk geval, gaan maar voort met jou spoeg-en-plak joppies. Dit is weer my ondervinding dat mens nie rasioneel hieroor met sekere Christene kan gesels nie. Feite word eenvoudig van die tafel gevee met onbewese teorieë, of geïgnoreer (soos vrae oor die “peer review” meganisme van die wetenskap…) Homofobie is nie rasioneel nie en kan nie op ‘n rasionele vlak aangespreek word nie.

    Dit is seker een van die grootste redes hoekom ek nooit ‘n Christen sal kan wees nie. As jy jou saak moet bou deur feite te verdraai, kan daar niks goed uitkom nie. Ek meen ‘n regter het in ‘n hofsaak vir Paul Cameron – een van die bekendste navorsers oor hoe “ongesond” die “gay lewensstyl” is – daarvan beskuldig dat hy oneerlik is en nie ‘n betroubare getuie is nie. Is dit nie snaaks hoe stil Christene daaroor bly nie? Youtube is vol videos van wetenskaplikes wat James Dobson daarvan beskuldig dat hy oneerlik is in die aanwending van hulle werk! Weer ‘n groot stilte van Christene se kant af. Dit is dan wanneer ek wonder oor Christene se commitment tot die waarheid en erns met die 10 gebooie.

    Dit lyk nie of jy die gebeure rondom die wetenskap en die eks-gay beweging die afgelope jaar of twee gevolg het in Amerika nie. Dan sou jy gesien het hoe hierdie taktiek besig is om lelik te boomerang op die Christene wat dit verkondig. Ons praat oor ‘n paar jaar weer hier in SA wat alles van Focus on the Family ens. vir soetkoek opeet.

    Maar in elk geval, cheers. Psigo-analiseer nou maar rustig verder. (Jammer vir die 2 lang inskrywings, gewoonlik probeer ek om dit korter te hou. Ek sal jou ook nie verder lastig val op jou blog nie; ek is immers die gas hier en ken my perke. :))

  8. Thanks Sam. Snaaks, die Manu persoon kritiseer jou vir ‘cut en paste’, maar sy blog is self vol daarvan… Daar was vandag ‘n gay blogger op Steve Hofm se blog spot wat die volgende comment gelos het: “Die nie ‘praktiserende’ gays wat wel nou mag kerk toe gaan, kan nie wag om langs die man en vrou te sit met buite egtelike verhoudings, saamblyers, vroueslaners en alkholiste nie. Ek glo nie die sinode sal die duiwel onder hul mat kry nie, want daar is nie plek nie. Al die sondes wat ek nou net genoem het is onder die sinode se mat gevee. Afgehandel en vergete. Steek mekaar blou, gooi net jou tiende in die kolekte bord asb. en los mans uit as jy ‘n man is.”

  9. Ag my liefste Sam, is enigiemand ooit werklik gelukkig? Om die Grieke van ouds aan te haal: “call no man happy until he is dead.”

    Jy weet nie of jy môre dalk deur ‘n verkragting of die afsterfte van ‘n geliefde in ‘n see van eksistensiële angs – waaruit jy dalk nie weer kan ontsnap nie – gedompel sal word nie. Dalk is die wederkoms in 2011 en kom alle Christene agter die Raelians was al die tyd reg. (Absurde voorbeeld, ek weet.) Dalk is daar nie ‘n wederkoms nie. Dalk is daar nie ‘n hel nie.

    Of dalk is daar. En dalk gaan jy hel toe omdat jy gays verdoem.

    Daar is meer dinge in hierdie wêreld wat ons aandag behoort te geniet as mense wat hulle biologiese drange uitleef. Kom, ons lewe mos nou al in 2007. Ek vind dit hartseer dat ek dit nog aan iemand moet probeer verduidelik.

  10. Sam

    As jy net by die Bybel hou sal jy beter doen.

    Ek stel voor dat jy wegkom van die beginsel dat jy iets wat deur die Bybel as die waarheid verklaar word te probeer “reg bewys” deur middel van buite-bybelse bronne.

    As die Bybel verklaar “God is Lig” dan is God lig, wat is die sin daarvan om dit te probeer bewys…?

    (1Jo 1:5) En dit is die verkondiging wat ons van Hom gehoor het en aan julle verkondig: God is lig, en geen duisternis is in Hom nie.

    Jy sal niks “wyser” hoorders (of bloggers) kry as jy poog om deur middel van die wetenskaplike meting van die spoed van lig probeer bewys dat die Skepper van fisiese lig God is nie.

    Dink jouself in… hier staan Adam op die sewende dag met God in die paradys en argumenteer dat die son maan en sterre (op sterkte van sy wetenskaplike navorsing ) Biljoene jare oud moet wees… en God vir hom te kenne gee dat Hy dit net twee dae terug geskep het…. deur net te spreek?

    As God verklaar sonde is sonde dan is dit sonde… watter wetenskap kan die chemiese samestelling van sonde formuleer….? hetsy egskeiding, losbandigheid, hoerery, egbreuk, noem dit maar hetsy bywyse van die fisiese handeling of deur die denke…?

    Die oomblik wanneer iemand die geestelike dinge deur middel van die vleeslike probeer verklaar is dit amper soos om te probeer bewys dat ‘n vlooi die vermoee het om ‘n olifant te verkrag. Die olifant kan dalk sy saak wen deur te argumenteer dat dit 8 biljoen jaar gelede moontlik was toe sy voorouers nog ‘n vlooie was… maar dan sal die olifantgenerasie met 8 biljoen jaar se rekords van seksuele misdrywe voorendag moet kom.

    (1Kor 2:13 en 14) Daarvan spreek ons ook, nie met woorde wat die menslike wysheid leer nie, maar met dié wat die Heilige Gees leer, sodat ons geestelike dinge met geestelike vergelyk. Maar die natuurlike mens neem die dinge van die Gees van God nie aan nie; want dit is vir hom dwaasheid, en hy kan dit nie verstaan nie, omdat dit geestelik beoordeel word.

  11. so by the way, afrikaanse bloggers soek iets om te doen, en dit dan aan die wereld te verkondig, en omdat dit verskawend is sal jy agterkom dat dit netsoos kerkhou is.

    “the same oud faces”…

    die enigste verskil is dat diegene wat hulself buite die kerke bevind ‘n groter kans het om deur die Waarheid van die Woord (die Bybel) in die Koninkryk van God ingelei te word as in enige kerk of kerkstruktuur.

  12. Sam, ek weet jy is nie deel van Aksie Morele Standaarde nie. Die bedoeling was venynig en eintlik heeltemal onnodig met betrekking tot die debat.

    Ek vra verskoning daarvoor.

  13. Ek wonder darem of dit dieselfde ding is om te se^ (1) homoseks is sonde en (2) homoseks moet veroordeel word. Miskien is dit juis so lekker omdat dit sonde is.

  14. Salig as dit nie was nie en Adam en Eva homos was sou jy dalk nog ‘n sperm- of eiersel gewees het….?

    (Gen 3:22) Toe sê die HERE God: Nou het die mens geword soos een van Ons deur goed en kwaad te ken. As hy nou maar nie sy hand uitsteek en ook van die boom van die lewe neem en eet en lewe in ewigheid nie!

    Dankie tog vir Sy genade … en beskerming

    (Gen 3:23) Toe stuur die HERE God hom weg uit die tuin van Eden om die grond te bewerk waaruit hy geneem is.

    (Gen 3:24) So het Hy dan die mens weggedrywe en gérubs aan die oostekant van die tuin van Eden laat woon, met die swaard wat vlam en flikker, om die toegang tot die boom van die lewe te bewaak.

  15. Ja, oukei maar nou was Adam en Eva nie homo’s nie en dus bestaan ons nou almal, so hoekom kan die res van ons nie maar almal homo’s wees nie?

  16. Salig vir dieselfde rede hoekom ons nie maar almal behoort te hoereer nie en ek nie dieselfde attitude as Kain behoort te openbaar nie.

    Ek is my broer se wagter…? ek gun my broer net die hoogste goed, die ewige lewe en nie die ewige verdoemenis nie.

    Die ewige lewe of ewige verdoemenis wat heelwaarskynlik so gou as 20/1/10/2011 kan wees…?

    (Dan 12:1) En in dié tyd sal Mígael, die groot vors wat oor die kinders van jou volk staan, optree; en dit sal ‘n tyd van benoudheid wees soos daar nie gewees het vandat ‘n volk bestaan het tot op dié tyd nie; maar in dié tyd sal jou volk gered word, elkeen wat in die boek opgeskrywe staan.

    (Dan 12:2) En baie van die wat in die stof van die aarde slaap, sal ontwaak, sommige tot die ewige lewe en sommige tot groot smaadheid, vir ewig afgryslik.

  17. Eers wil ek vir George Maru sê (na aanleiding daarvan dat die manier waarop Christene met feite omgaan een van die grootste redes is waarom nie hy nie ‘n Christen kan word nie): Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face! Jou saligheid is (gelukkig) nie afhanklik van ‘n mens nie. Moenie dat enigiemand in jou pad staan om tot geloof te kom nie – nie eers ’n Christen nie! Geloof (om te glo dat Jesus jou persoonlike Verlosser is, deurdat Hy vir jou sondes gesterf het) word gewek deur die Woord (Bybel) en die Gees van God. Ek daag jou uit om die Bybel te lees en God te vra om jou te oortuig dat Hy bestaan en dat die Woord waar is. Begin by die evangelie van Johannes. God het belowe: “My woord sal nie onverrigter sake na My toe terugkeer nie.” (Jesaja 55:11) As jy met verwagting en met ’n oop gemoed die Bybel lees, sal Hy sy belofte gestand doen.

    Iets wat Christene nodig het, is meer liefde. Nogal ironies, want ons is veronderstel om dienaars te wees van die God van liefde. (1 Johannes 4:7 en verder)

    Teen die algemene opvatting in het die sonde van die Sodomiete nie net om homoseks gedraai nie. In ’n hele paar plekke in die Ou Testament en enkele plekke in die Nuwe Testament word melding gemaak van die mense van Sodom. Net op een plek (waar die engele vir Lot besoek het) word melding gemaak van homoseks en wel in die vorm van ’n poging tot geweldadige verkragting. Sondes van die Sodomiete wat herhaaldelik genoem word, is dat hulle hooghartig was, onreg teenoor ander mense gepleeg het en in weelde geleef het, terwyl hulle vir die mense in nood en vir die armes niks oorgehad het nie. In Esegiël gee God laasgenoemde sondes aan as die rede waarom Sodom verwoes is. ’n Mens sou hulle sondes kon opsom as liefdeloosheid (hulle het net vir hulself omgegee). Nog ander sondes wat met die mense van Sodom geassosieer word, is afgodsdiens, lieg, bedrieg, hoogmoedig, help díe wat verkeerd doen en onsedelike dade.
    (Bogenoemde kom uit Gen. 18:16-19:29, Deut. 29:16,17,18,23, Jes. 3:9, Jer 23:14, Eseg. 16:46-50, Sefan. 2:9,10, Jud. 1:7)

    Ander verwysings na homoseksualiteit in die Bybel, sluit die volgende in:
    Lev. 18:22 ’n Man mag met ‘n manspersoon geen gemeenskap hê nie (volgens die 1966-vertaling; die 1983-vertaling noem dit ’n homoseksuele verhouding.) Dit verwys duidelik na praktyke van die heidene wat met afgodediens geassosieer is, want hierdie verbod en ander verbode seksuele praktyke volg op Levitikus 18:3 waarin die Here die Israeliete vermaan dat hulle nie die heidense gebruike van die Egiptenaars en KanaÄniete moet navolg nie.
    Lev. 20:13 Hier gaan dit om seksuele verhoudings buite die huwelik. (Vers 10 is ’n opsomming van die verse wat volg.) Seksuele dade wat in hierdie hoofstuk verbied word is onder andere díe van ‘n man met sy pa se vrou, ‘n man met sy skoondogter, man met man (so beskryf in 1966-vertaling; 1983-vertaling praat van “homoseksueel verkeer), ’n man met sy vrou en sy vrou se ma, met suster of halfsuster, ’n man met sy tante. As al hierdie dade onder alle omstandighede verkeerd was, sou God Abraham se seksuele verhouding met Sara as sondig verdoem het (sy was sy halfsuster). God het dit egter goedgekeur, want Abraham was getroud met Sara. Net so sou ’n seksuele verhouding van ’n man met sy skoondogter reg wees, mits hulle getrou het nadat die man se vrou en sy seun oorlede is. Hierdie seksuele dade in Levitikus 20 sou dus reg voor God wees, mits dit binne die huwelik plaasvind.
    Rigters 19:16-25; 20:1-7 Hier word die verhaal vertel van mans wat ’n man wil verkrag. As hul nie hul sin kry nie, verkrag en vermoor hulle ’n vrou.
    Rom. 1:18-32 21,23,25: Hier word vertel van mense wat, ten spyte daarvan dat hulle van beter weet, afgode dien en baie verkeerde dinge doen. Daarom gee God hulle oor aan hulle drange en aan sedelike onreinheid. “Hulle vroue verander die natuurlike omgang in ‘n teen-natuurlike omgang” en die mans laat vaar die natuurlike omgang met die vrou en brand van begeerte vir mekaar. Dit gaan dus hier oor heteroseksuele vroue en heteroseksuele mans wat besluit om hul eie mans/vroue te verlaat vir homoseks. (Heteroseks was vir hul natuurlik, dus kon hul nie homoseksueel georiënteer gewees het nie.)
    1 Kor. 6:9 Sodomiete (nuwe vertaling: mense wat homoseksualiteit beoefen) word genoem saam met ander erge sondes, bv. gieriges, kwaadpraters en bedrieërs. Hulle sal die koninkryk van God nie beërwe nie.

    Hierdie ding wat in die 1966 vertaling “sodomie” (n.a.v. die sondige mense in Sodom) en in die 1983-vertaling “hmskslteit” genoem word (en ten sterkste deur God veroordeel word), is dikwels beoefen deur heteroseksueelgeoriënteerde persone en bestaan uit afgodsrituele, geweldadige aanranding, promiskuïteit en wellus in totale afwesigheid van ’n liefdevolle verbintenis tussen twee persone.

    As dít is wat homoseksualiteit is, dan het ek vrede met die gays – ek ken geen gay persoon wat homoseksueel is (voldoen aan die Bybel se beskrywing daarvan) nie!

    Nêrens in die Bybel word melding gemaak van ’n liefdevolle verbintenis tussen 2 persone van dieselfde geslag nie. Soos met baie ander sake wat nie by die naam in die Bybel genoem word nie, kan ons slim genoeg wees om Bybelse beginsels met betrekking tot soortgelyke sake (in hierdie geval m.b.t. die verhouding tussen man en vrou), op hierdie saak van toepassing te maak.

    As ’n mens nie die Bybel deur die bril van die liefde lees nie, lees jy nie die Bybel met die regte gesindheid nie en dan is die kanse goed dat jy dit verkeerd interpreteer. ’n Mens mag nie sommer verdoemend staan teenoor iets (bv. ’n liefdevolle, lewenslange verbintenis tussen twee persone van dieselfde geslag) as dit nêrens in die Bybel as sulks genoem word en as sulks verbied word nie.

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  19. EK VRA NET
    1.met die oog op n 1000 jaar vrede kan mense van n seker sexsuele oortiuging die vrede verstuur.
    2.Sal mans wat tot ander mans aangetroke is n probleem he as hulle (HOM) ontmoet.
    3.?nog vra as julle wil.

  20. eerstens, hoe christenlik om te diskrimineer en te beoordeel(judge of watookal die afrikaanse woord is).

    tweedens, baie en selfs meeste van die seksuele aktiwiteite wat genoem was in die bogenoemde artikel is goed wat mans en vroue beoefen.

    maar teminstens stem die christen saam met die jood- en wie weet miskien is dit ‘n teken van potensiele wereld vrede….

    luister, ek is moeg vir mense wat opinies oor ander het. los mekaar uit. lewe saam in vrede. hou jou ignorant neus uit mekaar se besigheid.

    almal het ‘n reg tot hul opinie, al is hul verkeerd, maar om vadersnaam ek wil dit nie aldag hoor nie.

  21. Janet, lees gerus my artikel oor wat die Bybel sê oor oordeel van mekaar. Dit sal binnekort verskyn.

    Dat van die bogenoemde praktyke in heteroseksuele verhoudings voorkom, maak nie die praktyke reg nie. Die probleem in die postmoderne tyd is dat daar nie meer “reg” en “verkeerd” is nie. Maar selfs hierdie lewensfilosofie is verdoem soos al die vorige filosofieë wat die mensdom in die verlede uitgedink het. Byvoorbeeld, modernisme, kommunisme, ens. het almal tot ‘n val gekom. Post-modernisme is ook op pad uit… Diegene wat hierdie praktyke in heteroseksuele verhoudings toepas, sal ook ‘n prys daarvoor betaal. God het nie die mens geskep vir die abnormale praktyke wat mense op seksuele gebied uitvoer, nie. Lees enige mediese joernale om self te sien hoe abnormale seksuele praktyke sy tol eis van die diegene wat dit toepas.
    Jammer dat jy moeg is vir die opinies vanm ander. Ek vind dit egter teenstrydig met die feit dat jy hierdie artikel gelees en kommentaar daarop gelewer het. Hoe het jy op die artikel afgekom? Ge-“google” of daarna verwys deur ‘n ander bron? Feit bly staan dat toe jy die artikel begin lees het, was die keuse joune om jou nie bloot te stel aan die opinie van ander nie. Terloops, hierdie is nie my opinie nie – dis die feite – medies en volgens God se woord. En die feite maak vir my sin.
    Homoseks raak elkeen in die samelewing, net soos enige ander seksueel losbnadige leefstyl asook ander medies riskante leefstyle soos drankmisbruik en rook. Ons betaal die premies hiervoor in hoër mediesefonds premies en ‘n swakker staats mediese hulp. Miljoene rande word jaarliks spandeer om mediese sorg te bied aan mense wat seksueel losbandig geleef het en vigs en ander seksuele siektes opgedoen het. Die geld kan beter spandeer word indien almal seksueel leef soos God dit bedoel het – getrou aan een lewensmaat, geen buite-huwelikse-seks nie. Dit is ‘n grap om enigsigsinds die bewering te maak dat ander se seksuele losbandigheid en perversiteit nie ander se saak is nie. Dit getuig van ongeligtheid van die ergste graad. Skakel net jou televisie aan en luister na een nuusberig om te sien hoe ander se seksualiteit wel jou lewe raak!
    Jy is korrek dat almal die reg tot eie opinie het – Hitler het ook sy eie opinie gehad met katastrofiese gevolge! Jou denke is tipies postmodern, dat dit ‘n goeie karaktrek is om ander te laat begaan om te leef soos wat hulle wil. Jy sal egter eendag besef dat jy verkeerd was. Daar is waarheid en leuen, wit en swart. En die mensdom betaal elke oomblik die prys vir hul beterwetigheid!

  22. werklik, sam, ek kry dit nie klein nie.

    hoe kan die repeterende bewegings van twee koolstofgebaseerde organismes se spiermassa sonde wees?

    ek vra nie hierdie vraag om te spot of neerhalend te wees nie. ek is doodernstig. verduidelik dit asseblief vir my, want ek verstaan nie.

  23. wow. diskrimenerende naiewiteit het eweskielik ‘n ander vlak van dom getref.

    ekt die artikel gelees (vertaal) asook die mediese artikel gelees aan die ontbyt tafel aan my man en familie, by the way, hy’s self ‘n dokter wat mediese statistieke en papiere inhandig op ‘n gereelde basis en weet hoe unreliable die data is want raai wat, ek weet hoe dit bepaal word. ons kon almal net lag en ons kop skud oor ander mense wat sulke snert praat.

    kyk, sam, ek dink jy moet dalk self skool toe gaan en geleerd raak en navorsing doen. ipv om te piggy back op ander mense se navorsing.

    al wat ek kan se is, daar’s geen hoop vir mense soos jy. . en as jy eendag voor die pearly gates staan sal god se, wow, nog ‘n idioot wat soos n skaap rond gedwaal het ipv om sy eie brein te gebruik. good luck with that….

    ps. verskoon my afrikaans maar ekt jare laas afrikaans gepraat en geskryf. so nee, eks nie ‘n idoot nie, my afrikaans is net ‘n bietjie rusty.

    fokus eerder jou energie op die kinders in daai land van ons wat honger is vir kos of wat verkrag word op ‘n daaglikse basis. and put yourself to good use…

  24. oja, en ivm met jou suinigheid. ek betaal eerders meer aan mediese versekering voordat ek ‘n man of vrou judge en laat skaam voel oor hul seksuele orientasie. veral die wat hul lewens neem elke dag omdat mense soos jy hul lewe hel maak.

    dis die domste redenasie wat ek nog ooit gehoor het. skaam jou.
    maar een ding wat ek geleer het is dat almal die reg het tot hul opinie, al is jy verkeerd

    geseende kersfees in jou perfekte christelike sonde vrye lewe. eks seker god kani wag om jou te sien nie.

  25. nou ja, stilte is seker ook ‘n antwoord.

  26. Jy’s reg, Johan. Stilte is ook ‘n antwoord. Onthou jy, toe Jesus voor Herodus gestaan het, het Hy (Jesus) ook niks gesê nie.

  27. Johan probeer maar altyd sonde regverdig en dan is daar altyd ‘n paar saampraters. Janet, as jy vir ander kan sê dat hulle dom is, kyk maar in ‘n speël en aanskou jou eie domheid. Om te dink jy kan nou die fokus op iets anders plaas, naamlik honger kinders in ‘n ander land. Dit is ‘n ander besprekingspunt en ek is seker jy sal ‘n toepaslike blog daarvoor kry. Alle sondes is ‘n gruwel in God se oë en kan nie regverdig word nie. Nie een van ons is sonder sonde nie en daarom kan nie een ‘n vinger wys en tog moet ons mekaar vermaan tot bekering. Om een te vermaan, is nie dat jy een oordeel. Erken maar jou sonder en poog maar om te bekeer. Sou jy nie volkome daarin slaag nie, het dit nie te sê, dat jy verlore is nie. Moet ook nie ander verwerp omdat hulle minder of meer sonde as jy het. God het deur Jesus, vergifnis op aarde gevestig. 100% is nie die vereiste om die Koninkryk va God te be-erwe. Elke saak sal op sy eie meriete behandel word en die handleiding (die Bybel) is ons riglyn.

  28. my vriend, daar is nie ‘n ding soos sonde nie. net goeie en slegte besluite. een ding waaroor jy reg is, daar is ‘n mens gemaakte boek met riglyne, half krom van al die vertalings oor die eeue maar iets is mos beter as niks. ekt nie ‘n saak met enige iemand nie, moet netnie naief wees en gay mense sleg laat voel deur te judge nie. dis al wat ek vra. bekommer jul oor jul eie sake. eks seker 10 jaar gelede was die fokus swart mense. wie’s volgende? bekommer oor goed wat saak maak en as jul niks mooi het om te se nie van mense omdat hul nie wit, manlik en christlik is nie… wel bly dan stil. en regtig, “kyk in die spieel”? het hul nie beter idiome vir jul geleer op skool nie? as ek in die spieel kyk sien ek iemand wat graag mense help. iemand wat nie se o seun jy gaan hel toe want jy is gay of omdat jy ‘n jood is nie. ek se, behandel mekaar met liefde en jou siel sal gaan waar dit behoort. so eenvoudig soos dit.

  29. Om die vertalings te gee as ‘n rede om te sê dat die Bybel ‘n mens gemaakte boek is, is maar ‘n swak verskoning. Met die internet kan jy na die interlinear gaan kyk en jy sal wel besef om by die ou vertalings te bly en dat die boodskappe nog suiwer is. Dit is maar die nuwe vertalings wat ‘n gemors is omdat dit maar ‘n geldmaak geleentheid is. Jesus het mense met die sweep bygekom oor die handeldryf in die tempel. Ek het niks teen sondaars, ongeag hulle sonde omdat ek ook sonde het, wat ek nie goed probeer maak nie, maar eerder probeer oorwin, nie dat ek altyd daarin slaag nie. In die Bybel staan dat onwetend sondig nie, dus blyk jy nog onwetend te wees omdat jy reken dat daar nie so iets soos sonde is nie. Jou siel kan alleenlik die Koninkryk be-erwe as jy die Koninkryk soek en dit sal dus raadsaam wees om seker te maak en nie daarop staat te maak dat jou siel sal gaan waar dit hoort, want dit mag dalk ‘n onwelkome bestemming wees. Joh. 17 v 3, en dit is die ewige lewe, dat hulle U ken, die enige waaragtige God, en Jesus Christus wat U gestuur het. As ek Durban toe gaan, moet ek tog die padkaart en padtekens volg, anders gaan ek nie my bestemming bereik nie en sal ek my op ‘n ander plek vind. Klink nie vir my so eenvoudig nie alhoewel om mekaar met liefde te behandel, sal ek met jou saam stem.

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